Thank you for enlightening me. My gay sister often dismisses my questions, for whatever reason. She and her partner (who are married) seem to lean conservative when it comes to rainbow issues.
Nothing like Log Cabinettes and their hyperfascist money-grubbing worldview. They think they'll be Kapos when the Nazis win in part because of their soullessness!
Hi, ziggywiggy! I'm late reading this because I don't hang out in the chats but I just wanted to let you know that thanks to non-comments from Cakes and cioubella a found out you posted this and I just wanted to let you know I''m on board with whatever you need to feel right on here!
I tend to say that if I were half the age I am, I'd be a They/Them. But now I'm old, I'm very fenale-presenting, and I have to work a little at referring to my NB child as They/Them so it seems too much like work to try new pronouns for myself now. I do toy with She/They just as a nod to modern phraseology and that seems close enough. It's funny, as in curiouser and curiouser, tho, how over a half century into this life I'm still finding out there are Descriptions for all the ways I've always just been kind of strange.
I'm 60 years old and felt the same. But since I've made the decision it has felt freeing, I feel more confidant about myself. I thought it would be so complicated. It's not because it feels right. That last sentence sounds very familiar.
I've got a couple years on you - enough for Eisenhower to have been Prez when I was born (freaked me out when I realized that!) and most of my RL pals are in our general age group. I've started casually dropping it online, tho, choosing NB as an option when I can, etc. All this started getting press just a handful of years after I settled in to being who I am and to hell with what anybody else thinks so now its more like kicking back and watching as the world gets around to defining something I figured out for myself 20+ years ago.
I wish I could go back to when I was five, when I had my first battle about having to wear a shirt outside because girl, and shout, NO, I’m a they not a she. And then when I was six and had to do the domestic labor for two households from sunrise to sunset on the basis of my female sex. I honestly believe the heart of homophobia and misogyny is extracting every last bit of labor from that invisible chattel system. But that’s me. I would probably have traded my soul to the devil to not do all those fucking dishes age 6-???.
For you and your self-determination, congratulations ZiggyWiggy. I hope it brings you a more expansive vision of yourself and more peace.
Spider Robinson, in a short story, had a character buy a house for the pleasure of breaking every dish in it. That was all we were given to know about that, and that is some deft writing, to leave us to write the story in our own heads. In my mind, I am breaking every dish 6yo you had to wash.
This sounds so very familiar. I hated how as a kid I was treated, even in my own family, how they reinforced the stereotypical gender roles. Big family gatherings, women made the food, men filled their plates first, then women cleaned up after.
I turned 60 last month and it had been long enough, I can now do what I couldn't as a child, be me. Since announcing yesterday it has felt great, I was anxious, thought I was being performative, but I am so glad I did it, that decision feels so right. Thank you!
No, it’s a great move since you are on the team, because with an announcement, enough people will be correcting others that might have missed your pronouns in the comments (or resistant boomlers) to be effective.
I remember one notable Day of Homophobic Insults recently. I hope they haven't been too common.
But whatever sparked your thought process, good or bad, it's clearly led you to know yourself a little better. I am happy for that. And it has reached about where you have trusted me to know you a little better, and for that I am honoured.
Have a great night, my WiggyZ. I'm sure we'll talk again soon.
Never let the labels others apply to you get you down. Be the person that you are, live how you want to live, and don't worry about what other people think. We only have one life to live and we cannot allow others to tell us how to go about it.
My Presbyterian Church has been decimated by two male flamingos (my gay sisters word choice) who managed to drive away our wonderful, gay, female pastor.
You know I love you no matter what, right? And I'm really super happy fucking happy and proud of you for being exactly who you are? And I will (verbally) smack anyone who messes with you? Ok, cool, continue on with your life!
just speaking for myself, pronouns have never been more than linguistic curiosities but it's also not exactly rocket science to figure out why pronouns can be very meaningful to people.
at this point, the discourse over pronouns has become a nice litmus test to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Since it feels right to you, Ziggy, and it doesn't hurt anyone, it shouldn't be a problem for anyone. Unfortunately, some people have chosen to be hurt by others choosing their preferred pronouns. As others have mentioned, it is a way to find out who the bigots are.
Thank you birb! You would just say how are you because you would be asking me. But if you were speaking with another person and was asking about me you could ask, "how are they doing" (instead of "how is she doing?")
Thank you for enlightening me. My gay sister often dismisses my questions, for whatever reason. She and her partner (who are married) seem to lean conservative when it comes to rainbow issues.
Nothing like Log Cabinettes and their hyperfascist money-grubbing worldview. They think they'll be Kapos when the Nazis win in part because of their soullessness!
What does they/them mean? (sorry for being ignorant)
It means I don't identify as either he or she. Non-binary.
Hi, ziggywiggy! I'm late reading this because I don't hang out in the chats but I just wanted to let you know that thanks to non-comments from Cakes and cioubella a found out you posted this and I just wanted to let you know I''m on board with whatever you need to feel right on here!
Thanks so much Shan!
Love you, dearie!
I tend to say that if I were half the age I am, I'd be a They/Them. But now I'm old, I'm very fenale-presenting, and I have to work a little at referring to my NB child as They/Them so it seems too much like work to try new pronouns for myself now. I do toy with She/They just as a nod to modern phraseology and that seems close enough. It's funny, as in curiouser and curiouser, tho, how over a half century into this life I'm still finding out there are Descriptions for all the ways I've always just been kind of strange.
Maybe give it six months and revisit it. Them/they/their-singular rolls more easily with time and repetition.
I'm 60 years old and felt the same. But since I've made the decision it has felt freeing, I feel more confidant about myself. I thought it would be so complicated. It's not because it feels right. That last sentence sounds very familiar.
I've got a couple years on you - enough for Eisenhower to have been Prez when I was born (freaked me out when I realized that!) and most of my RL pals are in our general age group. I've started casually dropping it online, tho, choosing NB as an option when I can, etc. All this started getting press just a handful of years after I settled in to being who I am and to hell with what anybody else thinks so now its more like kicking back and watching as the world gets around to defining something I figured out for myself 20+ years ago.
I wish I could go back to when I was five, when I had my first battle about having to wear a shirt outside because girl, and shout, NO, I’m a they not a she. And then when I was six and had to do the domestic labor for two households from sunrise to sunset on the basis of my female sex. I honestly believe the heart of homophobia and misogyny is extracting every last bit of labor from that invisible chattel system. But that’s me. I would probably have traded my soul to the devil to not do all those fucking dishes age 6-???.
For you and your self-determination, congratulations ZiggyWiggy. I hope it brings you a more expansive vision of yourself and more peace.
Spider Robinson, in a short story, had a character buy a house for the pleasure of breaking every dish in it. That was all we were given to know about that, and that is some deft writing, to leave us to write the story in our own heads. In my mind, I am breaking every dish 6yo you had to wash.
This sounds so very familiar. I hated how as a kid I was treated, even in my own family, how they reinforced the stereotypical gender roles. Big family gatherings, women made the food, men filled their plates first, then women cleaned up after.
I turned 60 last month and it had been long enough, I can now do what I couldn't as a child, be me. Since announcing yesterday it has felt great, I was anxious, thought I was being performative, but I am so glad I did it, that decision feels so right. Thank you!
No, it’s a great move since you are on the team, because with an announcement, enough people will be correcting others that might have missed your pronouns in the comments (or resistant boomlers) to be effective.
Big tears, ziggy I'm doing my happy dance for you!
Thank you my friend!
I remember one notable Day of Homophobic Insults recently. I hope they haven't been too common.
But whatever sparked your thought process, good or bad, it's clearly led you to know yourself a little better. I am happy for that. And it has reached about where you have trusted me to know you a little better, and for that I am honoured.
Have a great night, my WiggyZ. I'm sure we'll talk again soon.
This is where I would normally share a hugging gif, thank you!
Big hugs ziggy!
One of life’s lessons that should be memorized: YOU DO YOU!!
Never let the labels others apply to you get you down. Be the person that you are, live how you want to live, and don't worry about what other people think. We only have one life to live and we cannot allow others to tell us how to go about it.
Congratulations to finding yourself, ZW!
Thank you Diane!
Welcome to the family, Ziggy!
Thank you!
So when are the secret meetings where we make plans to destroy Christianity?
My Presbyterian Church has been decimated by two male flamingos (my gay sisters word choice) who managed to drive away our wonderful, gay, female pastor.
What???
Right after the traditional adrenochrome harvest. Do I have to remember everything?
You know I love you no matter what, right? And I'm really super happy fucking happy and proud of you for being exactly who you are? And I will (verbally) smack anyone who messes with you? Ok, cool, continue on with your life!
Thank you. 😊🏳🌈
huzzah! :D
I've been thinking about pronouns a lot lately myself.
Thank you! I realized it was more about how I view myself than how others view me.
just speaking for myself, pronouns have never been more than linguistic curiosities but it's also not exactly rocket science to figure out why pronouns can be very meaningful to people.
at this point, the discourse over pronouns has become a nice litmus test to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Since it feels right to you, Ziggy, and it doesn't hurt anyone, it shouldn't be a problem for anyone. Unfortunately, some people have chosen to be hurt by others choosing their preferred pronouns. As others have mentioned, it is a way to find out who the bigots are.
Thanks Linda!
Well hi, how are they?
I hope I got that right.
Thank you birb! You would just say how are you because you would be asking me. But if you were speaking with another person and was asking about me you could ask, "how are they doing" (instead of "how is she doing?")